IRE Asks: Is it "unfair" to call for raid assistance over Skype?

I agree, bananas are good

For big sieges and raids and such? I don't entirely know....I'm torn. If its some huge in game massive conflict, with the first of many battles of inter-city war? yeah, sure, go ahead, get EVERYONE who can, that's fun. But if its a general Highcastle, or something? Or even less important like taking cities.....unless you're there, and someone goes on GT, CT, OT, or SCT (and even then, OOC societies can be a bit iffy) then no. But really, try and be as IC about stuff like that as possible. 

I can't imagine that raiding while none of the enemy combatants are around would be very fulfilling. I don't really mind if calling reinforcements in via some other device happens.

I have thoughts about the feelings that others have felt within their feelings expressed within this topic... I like cheese.

I log daily to check the news and get the 5 lesson bonus, I confess. I can play only in weekends for RL commitments. I do not understand how anyone should have RP reasons to log in. It is just an awakening. I checked another MUD and metafaming, skype specifically, is excluded too, because it spoils the game, and it does indeed.

In Lusty at least, for the most part, raids don't really matter all that much. Yeah you might have to birth more daughters. but the only big deal is if something like DLs or whatnot get taken out, and thats not exactly something that happens all too often.

if someone has fun raiding, whats wrong with telling them a raid is going on so they can come around and have fun as well. Most people wouldn't say its unacceptable to contact a friend IRL to let them know an interesting RP event is going on, would you? There's really no difference between the two situations.

Not sure how many people actually do it in Achaea, I only heard it from Mhaldor so far. I don't think it's unfair, though, just highly out of character.

I still think it's metagaming

People abuse OOC things for their advantage all the time.  A prime example is "off hour" raiding.  If calling some friends on skype can combat that issue, I see not problem with it.

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I personally do not think just logging in for raids is something to be complained about, especially if it evens the numbers, however the one thing that is the worse is raiding with complete uneven odds as well as for long time periods, the above can really affect those on the other side in game especially if they constantly login to that. The games are suppose to be fun for everyone 

They do it in world of warcraft and call of duty type games so why not here.

Doesn't matter if you like it or not, if it's fair or not, etc.

Stuff like this will happen in whatever game you play. Hell, it happens in real life.

Is it wrong? Probably. Will that change anything? No.

It's unfortunate when this occurs and it "unevens" a raid, but it's not really different than being unlucky, if a few more of the enemy city citizens log in, by chance. And there's really no way to tell the difference to enforce a..forbiddance of this, etc...who cares!

i dont realy care haha

gimme

While such 'coordination' efforts have been around for the duration of the game, and while it is not likely to stop anytime soon, it is also a form of metagaming and is sort of 'bad form', especially when it's only used to gank over and over and over. 

All you need is a connection to the IRE live feed, and you've got your notifier that things are happening. You may be a little late to the party, but it's still not as bad as calling all your friends to prepare to start something.

Ultimately, what it comes down to is that some people specifically play for the PVP.  If they weren't being called in by Skype, they'd be idling at the entrance to the city/centre of the city/whatever the idling location is.  I'm sure you all know it.  Entering the gates of Stavenn, Kinsarmar Crossroads, the Redwood Path, Antioch Shuk, whatever's appropriate for the org.  Every org has one.  Is it better to have them idle and just peek in every 10 minutes or so to see if a combat excuse has begun, or is it better to have someone tell them, "Raid's on"?  It's the exact same effect.

I consider people logging in specifically for PVP no different than people logging out specifically to avoid it.  When I first started playing IRE games, I didn't even know what an alias was.  I manual'd everything, and it was slow.  I could barely heal well enough to hunt.  When combat started, you know what I did? I logged out.  I don't, anymore, because I no longer have the issue of having my capacity to play the game obliterated by the existence of combat (though, as anyone who's fought me on Imperian knows, I still can't fight), but there are people who specifically play for RP (admittedly my primary, if not exclusive, motivation for playing), and I see people who play exclusively for PVP as very little different.

Ultimately, what it comes down to is this: Iron Realms games are just that.  Games.  People play them to have fun.  If PVP is what is fun for them, then that's what they're going to play for, and asking a friend to notify them when there's PVP going on is every bit as legitimate as asking a friend to let you know when they're going to be free for a game of LoL.

(Yes, I understand that LoL is not a roleplaying game and it's very "out of character", but so is your reason for playing, and if that's their reason for playing, then more power to them.)

It's just a sign of the times and where technology is at.  Not to mention people are naturally compelled to be competititve and have their raid party be as superior as possible.

Quite unfair

I'm all for them calling more people in for us to kill!

it might be an OOC way to contact, but people cannot stay all day logged in daydreaming as they do other activities, like work, study or whatever. Calling them for a 15-30 min raid is an information that should be available in OOC manner. Or make everybody get an addon on the webbrowser that shows new IRE messages, so IC messaging would be enough

Do people really go that far though? I thought raids all took place randomly.

It's not unfair if both sides do it.

Don't really have anyone on skype and I don't raid much so I don't know.

Please

It's not really "fair" but it's also not going to stop.

Who among us wouldn't tkae help however we could get it if we were being torn to pieces?

Doesn't really matter, because it won't stop either way.

It's unavoidable now.

While it may have advantages and disadvantages. I agree with the fact that it could easily be seen as someone waking another through roleplay to call them to aid. I mean would you not try to wake every available body in the case of an actual raid?

I don't like it, but there's no way to prevent it.

I dunno and I dun care If it is right or plain unfair...

Only Skype.

Everything else is okay.

Unfair

In a game that has telepathic channels of communication I would totally use skype. 

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Debateable

It is in a way, but yeah it can't e stopped

Massively unfair. Plain and simple

Yes

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Unfair, depends really.

Probably, but it's not like you can stop it.

fair game to me.

All I can say is just TRY to take Highcastle or Veilgarden from Sar-Sargoth in Midkemia Online. There will be only a few players on when you start, and by the time the fighting actually starts, every last mother sucking one of them will be online.

Is it wrong? Probably. Does it violate the spirit of the game? Absolutely. Is there anything to be done about it, or any way to stop it? No.

And so we endure.

but if you can't beat em, join em! /end

it's waking up the troops. If people are willing to log in on a short notice, they're allowed.

I don't see the problem with calling up friends to let them know a raid is going on, it can't be considered OOC as its the player informing another player that something is going down in game. The player then logs in and finds out what is going on IC.

I think skype would come in handy for raid co-ordination too, I have never had the opportunity to test this in a text game but it makes all the difference in graphical MMOs.

 
Poor Raiders surprised when the defenders come out of thier beds,
Really they should not be relying on an empty city...how would they know...
 
 

I don't mind if people call their buds to help with a raid - some people hurry and log out if there is a raid. We are all here to have fun!

yes as it's OOC

I don't see anything wrong with it, it's comparable to the other side waiting until they know not many combatants are around to start a raid, ICly they aren't going to know 'oh hey xy&z are out on some sweet epic quest, let's go raid!' what if they were home sleeping?! 

I think it's comical that people clamor for more RP, but use methods like this. People don't really know what they want, I suppose.

skype is fair game.

ventrilo poor taste.

Don't go overboard, I think it's fine.

If someone wants to win that badly, so much that they feel like pissing off people OOC then there's a problem. Iron Realms isn't world of warcraft. At least Midkemia isn't. I don't play to win, I play to make an interesting story.

if the admin doesn't say it's illegal, it's just other people whining.

New content, please.

I don't think it's fair to use Skype... or any other msger to call in reinforcements for raiding. I don't think it's lame that some people only log in for raids, whatever floats their boat, but I hate the constant raids by those that can't find anything better to do because I'm not big on combat, but I will defend when I have to.

ehhhh

I don't think there's much we can do about this, so I think it's unfair to outlaw it as it would disadvantage those who play fair.

It's not the end of the world. Most raids can achieve their goal quickly so if they're not able to log on immediately they're no help.

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It's also nigh-impossible to stop without getting draconian.

Credit comment.

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yes

No.

duh

Yes, it's unfair. It's plain metagaming.

Yeah

If people are going to raid, they tend to do it when people are offline/sleeping to avoid combat, so it means that a potential defense can be organised - but on the other hand relying on out-of-game communication isn't exactly the 'fairest' way of doing it.

maybe!

no

Unfortunately it is something that is impossible to protect against. However, I do not think it is fair especially in a RP intense environment such as this one.

Not at all.

people do this?!  I guess if you have a friend who lives for fighting, it makes sense that you wake them for a big fight...

no

Yes.

so worrying about it is pretty pointless.

I don't mind it, but I wouldn't encourage it.

very unfair

^See above.

and tough to prove, I dont mind if people do it.

Credit comment.

you wanted real time, you got it.

I feel like it should be okay.

I don't think it is so much necessary as unfair.

Credit

Yes, but people will do it anyway.

I think its fine if someone is logged in by AFK or something.  i think its poor form to fire up the bat signal though considering the other side is probably going off who they can see on QW.

I think its fine to use voip for party commands if you want.

ololololo

I like and dislike this. Not very realistic, but getting stomped while you're watching TV is kind of sucky too.

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yes

credit

No i dont think so

I'm not entirely familiar with the concept of raiding, but the way I see it: the more, the merrier.

no it's only unfair over AIM

No.

free credit

personally do not like to miss a fight, but haven't ever stooped to being "paged" through some ooc channel.

It's how it is....or at least is in Achaea

metagaming bad

Definitely unfair, but it doesn't have to be like that!

but I don't think so.

Kinda!

So many cities do this I'm learning